Heroes vs Henchmen, big difference? - Guild Wars Forums

Kibokun · Jun 05, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

So I don't have Nightfall or EotN yet (so expensive right now...) and I'm working my way through the factions campaign as an A/W. Yeah I know I didn't really pick a pve friendly profession, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing missions with henchmen. Usually grouping solves this but a lot of times I get groups that are WORSE than henchmen. So, when I get around to buying either NF or EotN, are heroes really that much better? Is it me? (Tahnakai temple was the worst..ugh)

Carboplatin · Jun 05, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

huge difference. some NF henchies don't even have a elite skill slotted.

Fungus Amongus · Jun 05, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Henchmen - they use same armor, same stats, same skills...everywhere (well almost, they change a bit campaign to campaign and by level). Plus they only equip 6 skills.
Heroes - As you please (almost)...you choose insignias, runes, weapons, skill attributes, skillbars...

Point made?

doudou_steve · Jun 05, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

both are stupid imo

Quaker · Jun 05, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Short answer: Heroes are better

If you gave your heroes the same sort of build, they would be relatively equal in most cases, except that you can micro-manage the heroes. But Heroes can be given any build (except for PvE skills), and that makes it possible to set up your heroes to complement your own build.

Takuna · Jun 05, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by doudou_steve

both are stupid imo

You mean you would rather suffer the PUGs? (The majority of which seem to have a lower IQ than henchmen.)

Or perhaps you simply have a guild that do everything you ask, which is pretty unlikely.

Etta · Jun 05, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Heroes are only as good as the skills and equipments you put on them. Although keep in mind that they are still just AI, some build will works on them better than the other.

luminoire · Jun 05, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

on the upside, they have hax skills at things that humans could never accurately do, such as interrupting RoF consistently

Sethellington · Jun 05, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07

heroes > pugs !

haha sometimes.

ogre_jd · Jun 05, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Heroes aren't really good at interrupting. While their timing (assuming they have an interrupt charged that can be used in time, naturally) is generally as perfect as you can get, they are utterly useless at deciding what to interrupt. If a Hero notices a foe casting [[Fire Attunement] and have an interrupt for spells ready, they'll virtually always use it on that rather than the [[Meteor Shower] that's coming right after, for example.

The Meth · Jun 05, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Heroes are only as good as the players that are using them. If you give them crappy builds they can be worse then the henchmen or pugs. On the other hand, a well setup group of heroes are better then 95% or more of guild wars players.

A pretty good example of the heroes usefulness is MM's. Heroes are good at using it cause its a simple build and yet its one of the best for the vast majority of PvE

sixofone · Jun 05, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

heroes > henchmen

heroes = customizable; better control (individual flags) How many times have you wanted to flag Alesia back from the front lines?

you have far more flexibility with heroes than henchies - builds & equipment, etc.

I think henchies were designed to be inferior "fall back" options vs. real players, hence why the AI on them is often so ba-a-ad! (Though, Hero AI is little better, if at all, really - as far as how they "think" is concerned.)

Plus, like armor and weapons, some heroes simply look better than others! (Jora > Koss; Livia > Olias or MoW!!)

Edit: as for cost, I picked up EotN for $17 at Circuit City about 2 weeks ago. <$20 = good!

Kibokun · Jun 05, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Thanks for all the help! I noticed Nightfall at Amazon for $21 when I was dreading the $50 from the ANet store. (Seriously, why such a gap?!) So I think I'm going to pick it up right away. It's like the center of the game now it seems, anyway...

luminoire · Jun 05, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

Heroes aren't really good at interrupting. While their timing (assuming they have an interrupt charged that can be used in time, naturally) is generally as perfect as you can get, they are utterly useless at deciding what to interrupt. If a Hero notices a foe casting [[Fire Attunement] and have an interrupt for spells ready, they'll virtually always use it on that rather than the [[Meteor Shower] that's coming right after, for example.

which is why it's necessary to micro sometimes.

i give gwen more than one interrupt in case i miss it, but i generally disable her interrupt if i know there aren't mesmers trying to migraine my party or monks spamming RoF or something. it's the same principle as disabling death pact sig when you know your party is doomed in the end.

Sir Tidus · Jun 05, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Does anyone know if hero AI is better than hench AI? Or are they the same?

Elena · Jun 05, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

the same but with the allowance of a player micro'ing the skills and not having Ogden red mid battle is a big pro over henches anyway

Dante the Warlord · Jun 05, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Heroes can use good weapons, runes, insignias, elite skills, and etc. there is no comparison...

-Lotus- · Jun 06, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10

heroes>henchies>trying to solo the game>pugs

they use the same AI and stuf, so they wont get smarter. but you can synergize their builds which is the entire point of the game.

DarkFlame · Jun 06, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Short answer: Heroes are better

Long answer: Heroes can be better then henchmen. As they come, they are worse then henchmen until you are able to customize them to your needs. Skills need to be unlocked for all the different classes, builds need to be made, runes and insignias bought, weapons equipped. All that takes gold and some experience with the other classes. After that they really are far better.

Just don't go getting NF expecting instant super henchmen.

azizul1975 · Jun 06, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Henchies -> Agro Retards

Heroes -> You can control their retardness

Jun 05, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12	#1
Kibokun Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2008 Profession: A/W	Heroes vs Henchmen, big difference? So I don't have Nightfall or EotN yet (so expensive right now...) and I'm working my way through the factions campaign as an A/W. Yeah I know I didn't really pick a pve friendly profession, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing missions with henchmen. Usually grouping solves this but a lot of times I get groups that are WORSE than henchmen. So, when I get around to buying either NF or EotN, are heroes really that much better? Is it me? (Tahnakai temple was the worst..ugh)

Jun 05, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#12
sixofone Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2007 Profession: P/	heroes > henchmen heroes = customizable; better control (individual flags) How many times have you wanted to flag Alesia back from the front lines? you have far more flexibility with heroes than henchies - builds & equipment, etc. I think henchies were designed to be inferior "fall back" options vs. real players, hence why the AI on them is often so ba-a-ad! (Though, Hero AI is little better, if at all, really - as far as how they "think" is concerned.) Plus, like armor and weapons, some heroes simply look better than others! (Jora > Koss; Livia > Olias or MoW!!) Edit: as for cost, I picked up EotN for $17 at Circuit City about 2 weeks ago. <$20 = good! Last edited by sixofone; Jun 05, 2008 at 04:12 PM // 16:12..

Jun 05, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16	#2
Carboplatin Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [PIG] Profession: W/A	huge difference. some NF henchies don't even have a elite skill slotted.

Jun 05, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31	#3
Fungus Amongus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare] \| [Rare] Alliance	Henchmen - they use same armor, same stats, same skills...everywhere (well almost, they change a bit campaign to campaign and by level). Plus they only equip 6 skills. Heroes - As you please (almost)...you choose insignias, runes, weapons, skill attributes, skillbars... Point made?

Jun 05, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10	#4
doudou_steve Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Guild: Guildless QQ Profession: W/	both are stupid imo

Jun 05, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25	#5
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	Short answer: Heroes are better If you gave your heroes the same sort of build, they would be relatively equal in most cases, except that you can micro-manage the heroes. But Heroes can be given any build (except for PvE skills), and that makes it possible to set up your heroes to complement your own build.

Jun 05, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40	#7
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Heroes are only as good as the skills and equipments you put on them. Although keep in mind that they are still just AI, some build will works on them better than the other.

Jun 05, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#8
luminoire Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005	on the upside, they have hax skills at things that humans could never accurately do, such as interrupting RoF consistently

Jun 05, 2008, 10:07 AM // 10:07	#9
Sethellington Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: nn Profession: N/	heroes > pugs ! haha sometimes.

Jun 05, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11	#10
ogre_jd Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canadia Profession: W/	Heroes aren't really good at interrupting. While their timing (assuming they have an interrupt charged that can be used in time, naturally) is generally as perfect as you can get, they are utterly useless at deciding what to interrupt. If a Hero notices a foe casting [[Fire Attunement] and have an interrupt for spells ready, they'll virtually always use it on that rather than the [[Meteor Shower] that's coming right after, for example.

Jun 05, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36	#11
The Meth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Profession: R/	Heroes are only as good as the players that are using them. If you give them crappy builds they can be worse then the henchmen or pugs. On the other hand, a well setup group of heroes are better then 95% or more of guild wars players. A pretty good example of the heroes usefulness is MM's. Heroes are good at using it cause its a simple build and yet its one of the best for the vast majority of PvE

Jun 05, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03	#13
Kibokun Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2008 Profession: A/W	Thanks for all the help! I noticed Nightfall at Amazon for $21 when I was dreading the $50 from the ANet store. (Seriously, why such a gap?!) So I think I'm going to pick it up right away. It's like the center of the game now it seems, anyway...

Jun 05, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00	#15
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Does anyone know if hero AI is better than hench AI? Or are they the same?

Jun 05, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30	#16
Elena Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium	the same but with the allowance of a player micro'ing the skills and not having Ogden red mid battle is a big pro over henches anyway

Jun 05, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40	#17
Dante the Warlord Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/R	Heroes can use good weapons, runes, insignias, elite skills, and etc. there is no comparison...

Jun 06, 2008, 12:10 AM // 00:10	#18
-Lotus- Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2008	heroes>henchies>trying to solo the game>pugs they use the same AI and stuf, so they wont get smarter. but you can synergize their builds which is the entire point of the game.

Jun 06, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49	#20
azizul1975 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GMT+8 Guild: The Elite Guard of Tyria (TEGO) Profession: Mo/	Henchies -> Agro Retards Heroes -> You can control their retardness